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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 28, 2010 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Good advice; I only add that though TT can be a bit much, I think that Toad, usually stands out...the intro and close are an outstanding, memorable ("stays in your head" tune, when all three play), and depending on what "he" does, GB can show why it IS considered THE drum solo in R&R. It is esp nice to "watch" it...he was amazing.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 28, 2010 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Outside of the people who just hate drum solos, I have know those over the years, the greatly admire Ginger, but feel the version of Toad on WOF, doesn't do justice the depths of his ability . That said, I can't think of any other drum solo on a rock album that is better than this Another reason to get the set , is that the group part of Toad is longer , the one that is on WOF, is edited .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 28, 2010 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Frankly, I am sick and tired of analyzing the different versions of Toad to find out when he's great and when he's...JK!

Seriously, though, I know the feeling! Watching him do it, even in the edited version with AlbHall68, it's great!

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 28, 2010 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

It's too bad the whole concert isn't on the film ! Yes Ginger was unreal in that concert . Dead, related, the whole "what was left on the cutting room floor', make me wonder what is still extant of the Festival Express tour . And not only for the Dead !

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Apr 28, 2010 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Interesting conversation. I have to say, much as I love GB, he was no Keith Moon.

Moon was able to do things that were theoretically impossible.

Plus he was a great drummer.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 28, 2010 6:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Hey SL; love KM, but you'd get a big argument from me about him being a better drummer than GB...I have had it so many times, I'll leave it (as you say, we'd probably just go back and forth without convincing one another). Actually, I mis-spoke; I've had the "who's the best R&R drummer?" argument many, many times, but actually, very rarely with him being mentioned (ie, it's usu so and so vs GB). I would put him in my top five favs, but more on just "liking him" if you will, and am very glad you mentioned him; I think "technically" speaking, he's a harder one to make the case for given less breadth to what he did over his career (and it ended early, etc.).

I will say that he is CRITICAL to why I consider "Who's Next?" as one of the top five R&R albums of all time...I really do think it's an outstanding piece of work, though not many would agree (at least when I've mentioned it here)...that doesn't mean I don't like this or that album "more", but trying to judge "objectively" at some level, I think it's masterful...

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Apr 28, 2010 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Hey, brother WT, long time no see. I've been acclimating to a new job, and a lot of travel for work. Not a lot of time to spend playing lately.

I have to say, though, that my perspective when it comes to drummers is more along the lines of favorites rather than technically "Better."

For example, give Phil Collins his grief for being the guy that ruined one of the best bands I've ever loved, but you cannot deny his chops behind the kit. I wonder if he'll ever play again...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 28, 2010 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Nice to chat, SL; and agree with hipster and MMac: KM really had a unique, and very nice style with the other two Who players...under-rated I think.

In all this CREAM analysis one thing I've come to appreciate is that though what MMac said about the three Who players is often applied to CREAM players, GB does some amazing stuff in the brief gaps (not many!) in a number of tunes that is just perfection in terms of hitting a number of times, producing a great "mini-solo" nicely connecting across the gap if that totally simplistic description makes any sense...I much moreso appreciate his work in that regard than just the straight up "technically impressive" solos (good as I think those were).

And another pt, just as with GB, WATCHING KM was a real experience (got to see them a couple times with him). Drummers, of course (duh), really make for a great visual when they're good...

Thanks guys--and again, agree with you completely on your pt, MMac...(the "lead" on that section/sequence).

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 28, 2010 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Ding.. We have a winner. What Moon failed to display in technical grace, he more than made up for with playing between Entwhisles thunder and Townshends lightning. He riffed constantly,

Sloppy drums? check, packed w/ explosives? double check. Your right about it being subjective though, I' sure in drumming school, Moon's image is pasted on the overhead, and the students are lectured "Don't be this guy" (especially at a large venue like the Cow Palace passed out),

I love Phil the drummer, but I'm more familer with Phil the pop singer (love No Jacket...wtf is wrong w/ me)

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Poster: mickmac Date: Apr 28, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

The thing with Keith Moon is this: double bass drum thus no high hat which made The Who a band with 3 lead instrumentalists with no true discerable rhythm section. Entwhistle, Townsend and Moon all played "lead". Listen to lead drums on the Tommy album.

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Poster: mickmac Date: Apr 28, 2010 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Listen to the Underture and you will see what I mean.

This post was modified by mickmac on 2010-04-29 02:52:16

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 28, 2010 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

Forgive bitte, got to chime here,

Very underated IMHO, Moonie looked sweet as a cherub, put drumsticks in his hand and...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7SYuhQ0yk


His drum phrasing is consistent with what Daltrey described as "someone playing lead gutiar on the drums" And he was essentially The Who->'s lead guitarist. He put an ass whooping on those drums every night , until sadly..."Death don't have no mercy"

Can't (won't) bash GB. Throw in Bohnam, add Moonie and I think you have THE top 3, Don't wanna talk Peart, A.Van Halen, or another personal fav Stewart Copeland. Moon and Bonham are gone , what a drag.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Apr 28, 2010 6:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Attn. WT Cream Request

I've always loved Moonie.

Favorite drummer conversations are so subjective.

I have to add to the list:

Billy Cobham
Phil Collins
Carl Palmer
Bill Bruford

I can't really ignore the prog guys...

Can anyone say Mike Portnoy? He may be the best I've ever seen.

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